supers getting easier?

[Kittyana]

I've heard that supers are now easier to find...

aparently there have been 5 super drops in 2 weeks.
mostly with noobs.
i dont know if this is hacking or thier just lucky
i vote hacking. but i dont know.
the noobs seem to get them while the vets dont.

[_Ares_]

i dont think its hacking unless some one is doing it so that supers will drop easier for everyone, but i dont think the people who have found them have hacked. My best idea is tha something has accidently got changed to make llirrem and rothar supers easier to get and velgrad supers, noslin supers, and regualr lvls 8 rares hard to get. sence ive done 17k fights in noslin without a drop when the longest ive ever when it 10k.  and my borher has alos gone 14k sence his last.

[kyoko]

Or people are just getting lucky?

[_Ares_]

yea but they have all been new people. everyone that have high lvls arent even getting lvl 8s. a few but not many

[MysticRat]

that's the funny thing about odds
there's a chance 10 people online find 3 supers in a row
and there's a chance no super will drop till christmass 2076

[Liketysplit]

I agree with kyoko and MB, but on the other hand would it hurt just to check it out so that no one could complain?

[ReyReyz0r]

OMFG, ME Reyz0rRey never finds a Rare or Super.....Imeanit'subercrapofmenotfindingararesometimeiwanttojumpintoapooloffireanddieinadungeonwithlotsofsupersbuticantfindsuperssohowcanilol

[Nekomatta_Mike]

I couldn't read the rest of that, it hurt my eyes... XD
But you say mostly noobs are finding them lately? hmm... I vote on the hacking, luck can't ever be that lucky, unless it's a movie. I doubt Lady Luck kissed them.

[Jon_Deciple]

this is the way i look at it. Say you have 100 players in a week put in about 1000 fights each. thats 100000 fights. Almost enough for a super.

Now lets say you have 10000 people playing in a week. there are a lot less total fights needed each person to make up enough for a super.

Basically what im saying is that maybe supers arnt easier to find, but i have noticed there are a LOT more ppl playing in the last month than ever that i have seen before. And more players means more drops, and yes more supers.

[JackHammer]

so..what you are saying is that....more people are finding supers because there are more people in general???
I don't think that the RNG was was designed to give more supers with more people...its a Random Number Generator...

[Azmodon]

No Jack, he didn't say that. For once Jon is right.

If there are 50 players, each player has to put in 2200 fights in the week to make up for the drop rate of a super. A super may or may not drop, three could even drop in this time, as it's random, but they will get 110,000 fights.

If there are 100 players, each player has to put in 1100 fights in the week. Same results.

Now, watch what happens when you fudge with the fights per week.

100 players, but they actually all fight an average of 2200 fights, the same as the 50, per week. They will rack up 220,000 fights, and it becomes *very* likely that in that time a super will drop.

When there are more fights, there are more drops. It's actually very simple.

[kyoko]

I disagree. Just because you have more fights doesn't mean more drops, even though the odds are lower. The same 100 people could be killing level threes instead of sixes and up, and still not get a drop.

[Azmodon]

Eh, I was just about to edit and say that if the players are fighting level 1-5 mobs then they don't matter.

But more fights does mean a higher chance of drops, it doesn't give a definite chance of drops, as nothing short of hacking will, but the more often you roll that 1/110,000 chance, the more likely it is to eventually come out the number needed to drop.

[JackHammer]

What you are saying sounds to me like this: If more people play the lottery everyday, there are obviously going to be more winners....
The RNG randomly decides if a Super will be dropped or not... not the amount of times it is requested for that random number.
If I i have the numbers 0 and 1, and the number 1 represented a super drop and 0 represented no super drop, i could request a random number from that set of numbers a million times, and a million times get the number 0(though its not likely)...on the other hand though...i could request a number 10 times and get ten 1's(also not likely), but the fact of the matter remains: More people playing does not mean more super rare drops.

Unless we're talking about different people getting drops, instead of the same few lucky people....then that's a whole different story.

Besides, it doesn't matter how many times you fight a lvl 6+ mob. I hear people saying "I already fought 60k (lvl6+) mobs and i still don't have a super rare! " Every time you fight is another 1/110,000 chance of a super drop. It doesn't add up the amount of people who fight, and start dropping supers when it reaches a certain number, like a jackpot in a coin operated game. It uses a method that randomly determines whether or not people will get a super after the fight. For Example...I am thinking of a number from 0 to 109,999. Can you guess it?

[shadowfox]

*cough* I havent found a single super since I've started playing *cough*

Its all random, and luck.
Lottery style

[Azmodon]

Ugh. My patience is running rather short with this.

The MORE times you test a probability, the MORE likely that probability is to come out a certain way. It's THAT simple.
Yes. You CAN have 1,000,000,000,000,000 fights without getting a SINGLE super.
Yes. You CAN have 10 fights and get TEN supers.
That is how a Random number generator works. I'm am NOT saying 110,000 fights gives you a definite chance of a rare.
BUT, when you run the probability check to try that 1/110,000 chance 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times, you are FAR more likely to get a rare than you are if you only ran it once. You could still not get a rare after running it that many times, and you could actually get a rare after that first try. But the probability is still higher when you try more often.
The actual chance of finding a rare does not change at all. What does change is just how many checks are made.

Understood?

More fights makes the RNG check that probability more often, therefore meaning there is a higher probability of the results being as such that they will drop a super.

This is of course excludes any fights under level 6 monsters.

If need be I will program a RNG just to prove this, but I'm hoping most people will get the point before then.

(If I sound rash. Now you know that I dislike explaining anything multiple times. The same goes for repeating myself.)

[Kain Aerostrough]

I don't understand...

...why it's so hard for people to understand that. The RNG checks to see if you found a super each time you fight above level 6's. The more fights you dish out, the more checks that happen. That's what Azmo's saying. Think of it this way...will you be more likely to find something if you only fight 1000 times, or if you fight 2000 times? As a whole, you are more likely to find it if you fought 2000 times because the RNG runs more checks than if you fought 1000 times.

I probably just repeated what Azmo said, but...yeah.

[JackHammer]

* JackHammer thinks he has angered the great and all-knowing Azmodon by causing him to repeat his sagacious words and explain them again

[MysticRat]

Funny how everybody knows how the "RNG" works
anyways ...

Unless we're talking about different people getting drops, instead of the same few lucky people....then that's a whole different story.

This is where people don't understand eachother!
Read it carefully and see if you mean "drops in total" or "drops for 1 person"
BIG BIG difference

Jack is seeing it right imho

The MORE times you test a probability, the MORE likely that probability is to come out a certain way. It's THAT simple.

That is so NOT true
Go back to school and ask for your money back.
I'll try to explain it simple because I have no clue how old you are and what grade of math you had
The cycle will start again after the first generation.
That's what happens with "chances"(I don't know the english word for kansberekeningen)
The chance will lower ... but the odds are the same
so basicly we could all get 5 supers in a roll ... or neither of us might find one the next 7 years
The chances aren't big that that will happen
but the odds stay the same

(I hope you understand my terrible explenation .... )

[JackHammer]

yay..someone on my side