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« on: March 05, 2006, 10:39:26 PM » |
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Ok it has been done several ppl have it, i want to know what is needed for 2 first hits. Supposedly if u have like 1800 pure dex, or like 8000000 str or somthin u can get 2 first hits... so heres how it works. If u have 2 first hits post what your stats were like when u first did 2 first hits. id like to know what math is behind the battle an how to calculate for 2 first hits, for instance if i have 500 str what dex do i need? - edit - supposedly, theres no "real numbers" for us to use (id assume there were, probabally a long formula which was what i was looking for, but nobody seems interested in going into that work and i dont blame them) anyways, if you have 2 first hits, post your stats here so the rest of us can see how long it might take us  |
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2006, 01:26:56 AM » |
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well I found out you needed 1865 dex for first 2 hits with no str,and I had 9 str
there ya go
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2006, 08:12:46 AM » |
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Gungrave does having higher str make you double hit at lower dex?
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Lyrael
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2006, 05:14:19 PM » |
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The number of hits you get are determined by your speed. Dex adds to your speed, so does str. So yeah, higher str means you don't need AS high dex to get 2 first hits.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2006, 05:30:30 PM » |
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MB has it ... don't remember how many DEX was needed  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2006, 08:41:45 PM » |
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so the fastest way to get 2 first hits would be a straight str/dex combo?
anyone know what amount str adds to speed, and what dex ads to speed?
somthing like "10 str = 3 dex" would be kool, if somone knows the real numbers...
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2006, 10:59:05 AM » |
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there's no real number, the amount of speed dex adds to decreases as you get higher dex, same with str, except it decreases faster.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2006, 01:09:35 PM » |
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What Lyrael said. For the mathematically inclined, the contributive effects of DEX and STR are both power functions of the form (some junk)^(some constant exponent); both exponents are < 1, but the one for DEX is greater than the one for STR.
Hint: this will help those of you crazy people still stuck on the Apocalypse/spell damage formula. :p
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2006, 05:37:55 PM » |
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bah .. I gave up on that |
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 11:08:44 PM » |
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What Lyrael said. For the mathematically inclined...
hey thats me! lol. Some numbers to work with would be nice, unless they are a company secret or somthing... lol |
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2006, 11:56:38 PM » |
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 03:50:27 PM » |
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ok well then lets get some numbers anyways... once you start getting 2 first hits, post your lvl and stats here so we (the readers) can try to see how long its gonna take us |
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2006, 11:11:44 PM » |
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what are those squiggles on the screen..... oh they're numbers
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2006, 08:43:16 PM » |
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What Lyrael said. For the mathematically inclined, the contributive effects of DEX and STR are both power functions of the form (some junk)^(some constant exponent); both exponents are < 1, but the one for DEX is greater than the one for STR.
Hint: this will help those of you crazy people still stuck on the Apocalypse/spell damage formula. :p
* Jon_Deciple is hoping to bring this topic back from the grave... this is a good start but if somone could plz inform me how the calculations work i would enjoy it... i notice that in battle your attacks go somthing like 1 2 1 1 1 2 1, then 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 then 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 etc somthing like that, you get like dual second attacks and after a while dual first attacks, if somone could explain it with working numbers i would be happy |
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2006, 10:40:14 PM » |
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well first when u start double hitting its always 2 hits per monsters 1 hit every time. i got mine at lvl 513 with 1553 dex and 476 str. so if gungrave is correct and its 1865 dex for double hitting with1 str that u started with the formula could be
1865.6568421052632 = DEX + ( STR * 0.65684210526315789473684210526316 )
or simpiler
Dex+.66(str)=1865.66
Not sure its correct but i think its close.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2006, 04:09:39 AM » |
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That sounds rather high for str ...
Also ... are you talking ttl or raw str?
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2006, 08:27:06 AM » |
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well i was talking raw str. but i was just going to try it for fun and i tried to build it around the stats that i had when i got doulbe hits. so im not totaly sure that its right but its best thing i could think of at the time
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