When some Questers get err... Bored? or overly excited, chaos and fun ensures. Here is a sample.
You know who you are, name are listed next to the time stamp. This is a transcript, and is in no way changed.
I hope you enjoy reading it. We sure had fun talking about it.
P.S. Don't flame this thread please.
[11:39:44 PM] <Synyster> [11:08:52 PM]
[11:39:47 PM] <Synyster> geez already'
[11:40:20 PM] <Quincy> huh?
[11:40:29 PM] <Synyster> its already 11 pm...
[11:40:36 PM] <Heavens_Rath> [5:41:25 AM] <Synyster> [11:08:52 PM]
[11:40:38 PM] <Heavens_Rath> -.-
[11:40:41 PM] <Quincy> woot, it's 11:40pm now
[11:40:46 PM] <Synyster> heh
[11:40:52 PM] <Synyster> HR is in the future
[11:40:58 PM] <Quincy> Or the past?
[11:40:59 PM] <Heavens_Rath> yup
[11:41:02 PM] <Heavens_Rath> future
[11:41:09 PM] <Synyster> what day is it over there hr
[11:41:15 PM] <Heavens_Rath> innn the future NOTHING WILL CHANGE
[11:41:18 PM] <Heavens_Rath> hell if i know
[11:41:22 PM] <Heavens_Rath> tuesday i think
[11:41:23 PM] <Synyster> LOL
[11:41:28 PM] <Quincy> lol...
[11:41:32 PM] <Synyster> haha i dont even know the day....
[11:41:37 PM] <Quincy> I'm already at the end of Tuesday
[11:41:45 PM] <Quincy> 20 minutes till Wednesday
[11:41:49 PM] <Synyster> yeah jsut check
[11:41:50 PM] <Synyster> ed
[11:41:55 PM] <Synyster> its tuesday
[11:42:01 PM] <Synyster> were in teh future!
[11:42:12 PM] <Quincy> No, we're in the present. HR is in the past
[11:42:17 PM] <Synyster> ....
[11:42:19 PM] <Synyster> shut up
[11:42:20 PM] <Synyster> ..>
[11:42:22 PM] <Synyster> <.<
[11:42:35 PM] <Heavens_Rath> sweet
[11:42:51 PM] <Heavens_Rath> so if i kill u guys now will u die then O.o
[11:42:58 PM] <Synyster> O.o
[11:43:02 PM] <Heavens_Rath> or will i have to kill past you?
[11:43:03 PM] <Synyster> no
[11:43:06 PM] <Synyster> because
[11:43:11 PM] <Synyster> we would be already dead
[11:43:13 PM] <Heavens_Rath> where were u at 6am yesterday?
[11:43:30 PM] <Quincy> I was in lecture. Haha
[11:43:31 PM] <Synyster> if u killed us at 6 am we would be dead now...
[11:43:47 PM] <Heavens_Rath> not if i didnt have the idea in youversion of the future
[11:43:58 PM] <Heavens_Rath> talking to me now could tottaly alter it.....if i did somthing
[11:44:12 PM] <Synyster> no the future can never be alterd
[11:44:14 PM] <Synyster> because
[11:44:27 PM] <Synyster> it would of already happened whatever u did
[11:44:32 PM] Viarce has just joined the game.
[11:44:39 PM] <Synyster> thus time travel impossible
[11:44:51 PM] Heavens_Rath brings up the terminator theory
[11:44:54 PM] <Heavens_Rath> lol
[11:44:58 PM] <Viarce> HR!
[11:45:00 PM] <Heavens_Rath> me?
[11:45:01 PM] Synyster kills hr
[11:45:03 PM] <Viarce> Is that really you?!
[11:45:05 PM] Heavens_Rath lives
[11:45:06 PM] <Quincy> time travel is possible when the multi-verse theory is applied
[11:45:06 PM] <Heavens_Rath> yes
[11:45:09 PM] <Heavens_Rath> who are u?
[11:45:17 PM] <Quincy> lol, Viarce!!
[11:45:19 PM] <Viarce> That was long long ago
[11:45:24 PM] <Viarce> Hi quincy
[11:45:28 PM] Heavens_Rath is going to sleep
[11:45:29 PM] <Viarce> you might not have remembered
[11:45:34 PM] <Synyster> if u went back in time and changed something and went back to the present.. nothing would be changed
[11:45:39 PM] Heavens_Rath has returned to reality.
[11:45:44 PM] <Synyster> because it would have already happened
[11:45:58 PM] <Viarce> True
[11:46:02 PM] <Viarce>
[11:46:06 PM] <Synyster> =P
[11:46:08 PM] <Quincy> that is correct, but if you changed the past, an alternate present would be happening, but when you go back to the present, you go back to your own present.
[11:46:32 PM] <Viarce> Quincy...
[11:46:32 PM] <Synyster> no...
[11:46:35 PM] <Viarce> explain
[11:46:40 PM] <Viarce> it isn't like that
[11:46:41 PM] <Synyster> yeah explain
[11:47:04 PM] <Synyster> that 'alternate' present as you have said doesnt exsist if u put it that way
[11:47:09 PM] <Quincy> Well, the grandfather paradox won't allow a change in the past to alter a future/present like that
[11:47:29 PM] <Viarce> The truth is actually
[11:47:52 PM] <Viarce> it's impossible to time travel! (in the current time as I believe)
[11:48:15 PM] <Quincy> Time travel might be physically impossible at the moment, but it's theoratically possible
[11:48:27 PM] <Viarce> Theoretical
[11:48:36 PM] <Viarce> Justifications are yet to arrive
[11:48:40 PM] <Quincy> Of course. lol, it's not called science fiction for nothing
[11:48:43 PM] <Synyster> the future travling is the same as travling into the past and changing something. if u went to the future and changed somethin in the present.. th future wouldnt change because u saw what was gonig to happen
[11:49:16 PM] <Quincy> wait, you went to the future and changed something in the present? How is that possible? lol
[11:49:17 PM] <Viarce> but, if you changed the present before going to the future,
[11:49:26 PM] <Quincy> Oh Viarce, I am lvl 40!!
[11:49:34 PM] <Viarce> You won't know if anything changed!
[11:49:35 PM] <Quincy> Just 61 more levels to go. Haha
[11:49:41 PM] <Synyster> no i ment u go to the future to see somethnig u want to change and go back to the present
[11:49:44 PM] <Viarce> Good for ya
[11:50:14 PM] <Quincy> Yes, but from the future pov, you would be changing the past.
[11:50:56 PM] <Viarce> Actually Synyster is presenting this concept
[11:50:58 PM] <Synyster> but it doesnt matter if u change the past cuz it would of already happened...
[11:51:12 PM] <Synyster> in the furture
[11:51:14 PM] <Viarce> "Once you know what to change, you can never change it"
[11:51:15 PM] <Synyster> future
[11:51:23 PM] <Synyster> haha
[11:51:52 PM] <Quincy> Yes, but according to the past, and you did something, that past's future will change according to what you changed to. The future you hoped from wouldn't have changed because as you say, the past has already happened.
[11:52:21 PM] <Synyster> TIME TRAVEL IS IMPOSSIBLE because of these reasons
[11:52:23 PM] <Viarce> Man was not meant to have infinite knowledge...
[11:52:41 PM] <Quincy> So by going back to the past and changing something, you have created another future, according to how you view it from the past.
[11:52:53 PM] <Synyster> nothing would be changed
[11:53:04 PM] <Synyster> it would have already happened...
[11:53:15 PM] <Quincy> Future A wouldn't be changed, but by changing the past, you have created Future B
[11:53:24 PM] <Synyster> no....
[11:53:30 PM] <Viarce> no
[11:53:44 PM] <Quincy> Time isn't linear, we only view time as a linear as a way to measure it
[11:54:12 PM] <Viarce> It's a twist of the predestination thing
[11:54:17 PM] <Viarce> given this example
[11:54:20 PM] <Synyster> but think about it... what u change wouldnt affect anything
[11:54:34 PM] <Synyster> cuz it has already happened....
[11:54:36 PM] <Synyster> gah
[11:54:37 PM] <Quincy> Yes, it wouldn't change if you go back to the same future.
[11:54:54 PM] <Viarce> that's it!
[11:54:55 PM] <Synyster> but u cant go to a differnt future
[11:55:18 PM] <Quincy> You don't go to a different future, the different future is already created the moment you travel to the past
[11:55:34 PM] <Synyster> no the furture would be the same
[11:55:35 PM] <Viarce> That's the point
[11:55:39 PM] <Synyster> u cant change it
[11:55:47 PM] <Quincy> Then you are saying future is set in stone
[11:55:50 PM] <Viarce> the moment you even think of changing the past,
[11:55:56 PM] <Viarce> it already happened
[11:55:57 PM] <Quincy> no matter what we do now, the future will always be the same
[11:56:05 PM] <Viarce> no
[11:56:05 PM] <Synyster> yes
[11:56:09 PM] <Quincy> since according to the future, our present, which is their past alreayd happened.
[11:56:12 PM] <Synyster> well
[11:56:17 PM] <Synyster> futureif u saw the s
[11:56:18 PM] <Quincy> and no matter what we do now, we won't be changing anything
[11:56:23 PM] <Viarce> no
[11:56:29 PM] <Viarce> you're reversing the idea
[11:56:31 PM] <Synyster> if u saw the future it wouldnt change to what u saw
[11:56:43 PM] <Viarce> we can't change what has already happened
[11:56:55 PM] <Synyster> change to anything differnt*\
[11:57:00 PM] <Quincy> but according to their future, we happened already
[11:57:08 PM] <Viarce> that's it
[11:57:12 PM] <Quincy> so what we do, will result in what they are
[11:57:14 PM] <Viarce> THEY can't change anything
[11:57:16 PM] Synyster dies from brain overloading
[11:57:17 PM] <Viarce> but WE can
[11:57:29 PM] <Quincy> lol, but if we change, we'd end up with the same future
[11:57:34 PM] <Viarce> no
[11:57:42 PM] <Viarce> we'd end up with a different one
[11:57:48 PM] <Quincy> No? So you're saying that if we change, their future no longer exists
[11:58:01 PM] <Viarce> not exactly
[11:58:03 PM] <Synyster> if u saw the future and changed in the present... the future cant change
[11:58:07 PM] <Quincy> That's what I'm saying
[11:58:15 PM] <Viarce> no
[11:58:22 PM] <Quincy> If we change, we have a different future. But for them, their future is not changed
[11:58:27 PM] <Viarce> if you are from the future, you can never change the present
[11:58:39 PM] <Synyster> excatly
[11:58:47 PM] <Viarce> because no matter what they do, they still live in that time zone of theirs
[11:59:07 PM] <Quincy> Umm no. If I am from the future, I can change the present, because the present is the future. It'd be talking about the past?
[11:59:12 PM] <Viarce> We can only change that time that has not yet come to us
[11:59:12 PM] <Synyster> look time travel would be impossible ok for all these reasons
[11:59:18 PM] <Quincy> Yes! So there are two futures if the past is changed
[11:59:30 PM] <Synyster> ...gah
[11:59:32 PM] <Synyster> no
[11:59:42 PM] <Viarce> Of course given that the Past, present, and future are three different streams of timeline
[11:59:59 PM] <Viarce> like A, B, and C
[12:00:02 AM] <Synyster> u can only change what u dont know
[12:00:12 AM] <Quincy> Exactly, time isn't linear as set in: Past -> Present -> Future. One might lead to another, but they are different.
[12:00:27 AM] <Synyster> if u know what is gonna happening in the future u cant change it
[12:00:37 AM] <Viarce> that's the same concept I'm saying
[12:00:52 AM] <Viarce> it's just that you have a different notation to it
[12:00:54 AM] <Quincy> But you can only know what's in the future by only coming FROM the future
[12:01:02 AM] <Viarce> yes
[12:01:08 AM] <Viarce> but you can never change it
[12:01:17 AM] <Quincy> And so, even if they come to the past, their future will still be the same.
[12:01:18 AM] <Synyster> u cant change it
[12:01:23 AM] <Synyster> yes
[12:01:26 AM] <Quincy> Here is the trigger though
[12:02:06 AM] <Quincy> Since their future A is the same. We in the present can change our future. And by changing our future, we have future B. Because by changing what we don't know and what they cna't change, we won't lead to future A
[12:02:25 AM] <Viarce> that's it
[12:02:32 AM] <Quincy> LOL
[12:02:39 AM] <Quincy> So in the end, there is future A and future B
[12:02:41 AM] <Synyster> no we cant change our future.....
[12:02:45 AM] <Synyster> no
[12:02:48 AM] <Synyster> there is only 1
[12:02:51 AM] <Synyster> future
[12:02:56 AM] <Viarce> W8
[12:03:00 AM] <Viarce> everyone
[12:03:01 AM] <Quincy> Yes, but Syn, you're looking at time linearly
[12:03:10 AM] <Synyster> but think about it
[12:03:16 AM] <Synyster> im right lol
[12:03:31 AM] <Quincy> then explain the grandfather paradox with your thinking
[12:03:37 AM] <Viarce> There is a possibility of a different future
[12:03:44 AM] <Synyster> i dont even know what that is!
[12:03:48 AM] <Viarce> but
[12:03:55 AM] <Viarce> W8
[12:03:59 AM] <Viarce> let me do that again
[12:04:07 AM] <Quincy> The possibility still exists, even though it might never come to past FOR US.
[12:04:14 AM] <Viarce> there are two futures which we MAY or may not face
[12:04:54 AM] <Viarce> the IDEAL and the EMPTY
[12:05:16 AM] <Viarce> it's our choiceif we would take the ideal or the empty
[12:05:39 AM] <Synyster> ... think about it there is only 1 future.. even if someone that has not seen the future does something differnt, the person that sees the future would see nothing changed when that time comes
[12:05:40 AM] <Quincy> Yes, even if we take the ideal, the empty would still exist, we just didn't go down that path is all
[12:05:41 AM] <Viarce> in the end, we would face one future alone, and that future depends on our choice
[12:05:48 AM] <Viarce> yes
[12:06:04 AM] <Viarce> time isn't actually a one way travel as I believe
[12:06:16 AM] <Quincy> So there are multiple futures out there, but we are only concerning ourselves with the one since only that one future apply to us
[12:06:30 AM] <Synyster> therte is only 1.................
[12:06:46 AM] <Viarce> it's an infinite intricacy of different times
[12:06:49 AM] <Synyster> what ever is gonna happen is gonna happen
[12:07:08 AM] <Quincy> The grandfather paradox is this. If you go back to the past and kill your grandfather, you'd not exist in your own future. But if you didn't exist in your own future, how could you go back in time to kill your grandfather in the first place?
[12:07:09 AM] <Viarce> such that our present maybe following the path to F1
[12:07:22 AM] <Synyster> u wouldnt be alive
[12:07:26 AM] <Synyster> at all
[12:07:35 AM] <Viarce> when we are there, the past. Our past, may lie on a different path
[12:07:39 AM] <Synyster> u would have never kille dur grandfather
[12:07:43 AM] <Synyster> youd be dead
[12:07:43 AM] <Quincy> But if you wouldn't be alive, you'd change the past because your father wouldn't be alive either
[12:08:05 AM] <Quincy> and by changing that past, you have created an enitrely new future different from the one you came from
[12:08:08 AM] <Synyster> thus this being impossible to time travel
[12:08:59 AM] <Quincy> But if multiple futures do exist, time isn't linear. If you kill your grandfather, the future will leave to you having no father, and you won't be born. But since you came from another future, that future won't be changed since you're still alive and
[12:09:02 AM] <Synyster> no matter what.. time traveling will never exsist
[12:09:08 AM] <Quincy> your grandfather wouldn't have died, and your father would be alive
[12:09:29 AM] <Synyster> we have jsut proved taht it will never exsist LOL
[12:09:32 AM] <Viarce> that's it
[12:09:37 AM] <Viarce>
[12:09:55 AM] <Quincy> thus the theoratical debats, not physical arguments
[12:09:59 AM] <Viarce> Time is an intricate design and not just one line
[12:10:00 AM] <Synyster> now... to send our coonvo to a prof
[12:10:04 AM] <Synyster> convo*
[12:10:25 AM] <Quincy> LOL, but depending on what kind and which type of prof, you'd get different comments
[12:10:37 AM] <Synyster> gah
[12:10:49 AM] <Synyster> everyone has there own opinions and differnt versions of things
[12:11:11 AM] <Quincy> indeed
[12:11:15 AM] <Quincy> thus the debats
[12:11:21 AM] <Synyster> half full half empty
