cheaper reset costs for new skill system

[TenaciousD]

Given the amount of different builds, can we have a 2-4 week discount to try out some different builds? A mil would be enough given everyone's current level I think.

[Dlorak]

Its not quite as suggested, but this is a common theme: level-dependent skill reset costs.

Code:

level cost
10 4900
20 19600
30 44100
40 78400
50 122500
60 176400
70 240100
80 313600
90 396900
100 490000
110 592900
120 705600
130 828100
140 960400
150 1102500
160 1254400
170 1416100
180 1587600
190 1768900
200 1960000
210 2160900
220 2371600
230 2592100
240 2822400
250 3062500
260 3312400
270 3572100
280 3841600
290 4120900
300 4410000
310 4708900
320 5017600
330 5336100
340 5664400
350 6002500
360 6350400
370 6708100
380 7075600
390 7452900
400 7840000
410 8236900
420 8643600
430 9060100
440 9486400
450 9922500
460 10368400
470 10824100
480 11289600
490 11764900
500 12250000
510 12744900
520 13249600
530 13764100
540 14288400
550 14822500
560 15366400
570 15920100
580 16483600
590 17056900
600 17640000
610 18232900
620 18835600
630 19448100
640 20070400
650 20702500
660 21344400
670 21996100
680 22657600
690 23328900
700 24010000
710 24700900
720 25401600
730 26112100
740 26832400
750 27562500

[fingolfin]

ewww, where was this when I could have used it, now im in the 5 mil + range lol

[Dlorak]

haha sorry fing...

[fingolfin]

How about along the same lines but instead of lvl dependent its skill points dependent. When i reset I am generally only moving my wep skill, the other points I put right back where they were.

[Dlorak]

no, we want people to be careful and deliberate with each and every point.

[fingolfin]

I do deliberate, I'm just saying that for example- at lvl 250 i have 500 skill points. I find a new wep i want to use, i wish to move 250 of those points from my old wep skill to the new one, the other 250 im perfectly happy where they are. I only want to pay to move the 250, not all 500

[Dlorak]

right: weapon skills as they are now only serve the purpose of segmenting demand in the market for combat weapons at high levels.
Their intended purpose is to provide additional technique/attack/spell differentiation through different attacks becoming available as you level. This doesnt happen but its getting close to becoming a reality.

In the long run, remove the cost of resetting and we lose the result. All weapons become fully interchangeable.

I agree that in the current situation it makes more sense to be able to learn/unlearn weapon skills. But in the long run your build will be more so built around the weapon type of choice. I don't like coding non-trivial features into the game knowing the long-term goal would be to rip that feature out.

[Celestia]

how about making the cost of reset dependant on the number of skill points to be reset.  we should also put a minimum level to keep people from using it a lot early on.  or maybe some pretty big penalty for doing something.  maybe we have it so that you lose a few skill points by doing so.  it would be a big deal for beginners and dont matter too much to those who are high level and those who level a lot (ie will be hbigh level if you give them a little time).

[Quincy]

If you want people to be careful when putting in skill, you need to finalise the skill tree. You need to have an application where people can PLAN out their skills before hand. There needs to be an update to the wiki where the skills are listed, their maximum skill range etc. As almost 90% of the data on the wiki is for the OLD quest, very, very outdated.

I want a reset, but it's 5mill per. And frankly, quite expensive for the very first reset.

The first reset should be free, then any subsequent reset will cost more. Second reset will cost 100k, third will cost 1mill, and then 5 mill. Capping at 5 mill.

[Dlorak]

The first reset should be free, then any subsequent reset will cost more. Second reset will cost 100k, third will cost 1mill, and then 5 mill. Capping at 5 mill.

I like that...

I'm softening on skill resets... its very true that we don't have any way for players to get a true, concrete sense for the skills other than trial and error, or extensive calculation. In the face of that fact I don't think we justify the amount of firmness I've been advocating..

[Acdc]

yeah gimmie my skill points boi!

[Celestia]

I prefer your first idea, Dlorak, but I see the logic in the number of times used like Quincy suggested.  either way is fine for me, I just want it known i prefer Dlorak's first idea.  Can we get on this ASAP.  I need a reset NOW.

[Acdc]

<.< i demand free skill resets with the new version XD ill give you a rabbit dlor <.<

[Dlorak]

what we'll do is...

1. use that chart I've posted above. It was already coded in anyways.
2. for your first puchase, knock a 0 off. So 4000 becomes 400. 5mil becomes 500k.
3. for your second purchase, divide by 5.  4000 becomes 800, 5mil becomes 1mil.
4. for your third purchase, divide by 2.
5. for your 4th+ purchase, full price.

So thats two deep discounts, one at half price, then an expensive but do-able price from there on out.

EDIT: y'know.. even more discounts doesnt hurt. I want builds to be explored, not cut them off... I've really been convinced, I'm glad this thread came up.
first reset: divide the chart by 10.
second reset: divide the chart by 9.
third reset: divide the charty by 8
...
you get the idea.
...
eighth is 1/3 prce.
Ninth is 1/2 price.
tenth is full price

[SamAdams]

* SamAdams hugs Dlorak