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Question: Who are you voting for? (or who would you vote for, non US peeps)
McCain - 6 (19.4%)
Obama - 11 (35.5%)
Ron Paul - 7 (22.6%)
not voting - 4 (12.9%)
none of the above - 3 (9.7%)
Bob Barr (Libertarian) - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 31

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« on: August 02, 2008, 12:15:30 PM »

So, less than 100 days away from replacing the bush-league president. (ha ha)

Who's got your vote and why? I'll post my reasons later when I have some more time.

Let's not start a flame war, just a good topic on where this country is going. If your only reply is "Those reasons suck!" then don't bother. Smiley Keep it intelligent.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 02:15:17 PM »

RON PAUL FTW!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 08:21:05 PM »

RON PAUL FTW!!!
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2008, 05:44:19 AM »

I'm not voting because I live in California, unless my mom cajoles me into it because of some local thing on the ballot. But if I was going to vote I'd vote for Obama. He seems fairly competent, able to construct a few meaningful sentences in succession, and a comprehensive if somewhat elementary grasp of current issues. He does not appear to be particularly bound by ideological constraints and cliched dogma.

McCain on the other hand is just flat out retarded. He doesn't know anything except that there's some evil people that need a stern talking-to. The economy, well, you know, it's just the economy, it will take care of itself. As long as you cut taxes, some of them, all of them, for the right people, who's voting for me again? Oh yeah, the middle class!

Who wants a halfway senile old geezer pretending to run the country, anyway? Well apparently at least three people here do...
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2008, 12:15:26 PM »

I'd vote for ron paul.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 08:30:57 AM »

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Interesting. There's 3 main reasons that people tell me they want to vote for Ron Paul.

1. He wants to legalize marijuana.

2. People want to get his party 5% of the general vote so he can receive federal funds to campaign the next election.

3. They don't trust either major party, so he is the lesser of 3 evils.

Make sure you realize though that a vote for Ron Paul is essentially a vote for McCain this election. (Not saying that is a bad thing, just making the point.) Most red based voters aren't going to vote for him as he appeals more to the moderate/middle voters slightly on the left. He will draw a few votes from the moderate right who question McCain's loyalty to his party, but 80% or so will be a vote that would have otherwise gone for Obama.

That being said, here's my reasons for voting McCain. This will be the first time I have EVER voted for a republican. I usually vote because of reason #2 I stated above.

1. He was a POW for 5 1/2 years. This gives him more respect in my eyes than someone who has never personally experienced war. He knows it and the effects of it and the downsides to it. He was offered early release and refused it until all his fellow captives could go. That takes balls in my book. Like it or not, the USA is in a war it is going to be in for at least a little while longer. I want someone at the helm who understands war and won't sway with the media polls and public opinion. I know he is going to do what it takes to win.

2. Experience. The media likes throwing this around like it doesn't mean a whole lot. but I'm talking experience in lawmaking and being in a position of power. McCain has a track record of voting on various bills you can look at and see where he stands. Obama has a very limited history to look at. McCain has voted against republicans MANY times in his history, he is not afraid to cross party lines to do what he thinks is right. I like that.

3. Personality. This reason is more against Obama than for McCain, as McCain really doesn't come across as full of energy and doesn't really inspire me to be a better american. I started out really liking the idea of Obama, giving his whole "hope & change" message that is always used by some politician in every election. As each week passes though, more and more of Obama's arrogance comes out and it REALLY turns me off to him. Anyone who is going to run this country has to be confident, but Obama has a level of arrogance I haven't seen in a politician running for president, at least in my memory. The turning point for me was Obama refusing to admit he was wrong about the surge in Iraq. Even the most radical far-left democrat has conceded that it DID work and turned around a war that we were losing up to that point. I don't want a man in charge who is so conceited he is unable to admit when he made a mistake. McCain has admitted mistakes he made in voting and the reasons he has changed his mind on different issues over the years. It takes a man to admit when your wrong.

4. Foreign Policy. McCain's isn't perfect, but he isn't going to try to negotiate with someone who has only ONE demand. Israel must cease to exist. You can't negotiate with that and I think it is naive to even try to. What do you offer them? Partial annihilation?

All this doesn't mean I have rose-colored glasses about McCain. He's a republican still and I really don't like the economic policies of the right. I know he is probably going to do more than a few things I don't like. Being in war though, I have to base my decision on how their foreign policy is and how I think they are going to run the war. If we were at peace, Obama might get a little more consideration, but it would be really hard for me to get past his blatant arrogance. Also, being naturally distrustful of the mass media and seeing how much they are on his nuts, that's a big strike against him too. They should know better.

So there you have it, TD's politics 101. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 08:59:03 AM »

I would have voted for Ron Paul had he gotten the nod, i think what i liked about him is the fiscal conservatism mixed with other non conservative views.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 10:17:42 AM »

(I'm a left leaning moderate)

My original favorite was McCain.  I voted for Hillary in the primary because McCain would have a better chance beating her.  That plan fizzled....

Lately I've been very disappointed with McCain.  He doesn't appear to be moderate any longer.  At this moment I'm not voting in the general election because I don't like Obama or McCain.  I don't care who wins and I will not complain during the new President's term because I chose not to exercise my privilege.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 01:40:26 AM »

d'oh! I just voted for mcCain
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 09:54:35 AM »

I'm wondering what living in California has to do with whether one votes or not?
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 12:12:12 PM »

well since Ron Paul wants to legalize weed.... RON PAUL FTW 
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 05:19:11 PM »

Amen, brother.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 06:53:50 PM »

kegan, u'd probably vote for big bird if he said he would legalize weed if elected president, lol, so that doesnt say much.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2008, 04:55:57 PM »

Big bird's running for president?
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 12:07:09 PM »

Ron Paul can cure cancer. And he won like, every debate he was involved in. Wonder why...
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 01:34:12 PM »

Yet Obama pulls into the lead of this poll and I guarantee you over half of the people who voted for him have no idea who he is or what he stands for, only that he's black and a seudo-celebrity. Change, baby!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 05:36:17 PM »

Indeed. And it's "pseudo" :p

I haven't seen anything positive from either side since I first made this thread.

Obama screams about change and then gets a running mate who has been in washington 35 years.  Huh

Mccain keeps saying he won't go negative, yet I see attack adds all the time. (I know both sides attack, every election, but at least don't say your not going to.)

Strategically, Mccain made the best choice for his running mate. She's got a lot of dirt that comes to the surface soon I bet though. Just like all politicians.

Obama's speeches paint nice pictures but he doesn't give many facts about what he's going to do. That worries me.

Mccain is NOT a good public speaker, but at least he seems to speak more candidly.

I'm still with Mccain... but I am more disgusted by both parties more every day. Is America ever going to see a regular guy up there running for president? Politicians are sooo tiring...

And the media still needs to get off Obama's nuts.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 06:35:33 PM »

mccain's running mate was a good choice all around I think, she seems very down to earth and draws some of the obama crowd away and all of the sad dejected hillary fans. only problem I've seen os far in the dirt category was her pregnant teeage daughter and alaska's laws or soemthing... my father-in-law was talking about it, I don't care about mccain, so..
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 07:10:07 PM »

I think McCain's choice of Palin as his running mate was a good choice, because the people who are going to vote for Obama, 'cos he's a black guy, might feel like McCain is as radical in choosing Palin as his running mate. Now, either way it's a big change, either there's the first black president of the United States of America, or the first female vice president.

If I was allowed to vote in the US elections, which I wouldn't be, even if I lived there, because I'm 15, I would vote for Obama, because of his views on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and because of his charisma. And 'cos he's black.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 07:27:11 PM »

If I was allowed to vote in the US elections, which I wouldn't be, even if I lived there, because I'm 15, I would vote for Obama, because of his views on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and because of his charisma. And 'cos he's black.

You'd vote for someone based on the color of his skin? If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

I'd still go with Ron Paul. Or Stephen Colbert.
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