remove autodecline

[Jon_Deciple]

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A few other decline related ideas....

Make Noslin a no decline area, i mentioned it and aparently people were just talking bout it... so if lots of us are thinking the same thing maybe its a good idea

if your wearing supers then you cant use decline. Makes it easy. pick one.

more ideas?

[fingolfin]

I know autodecline was jousers idea to make the game more friendly for the new folk and this has come up in other threads.Im all for just getting rid of it and opening the game back up to pk's. But if Autodecline absolutely must be kept, then at least make an option so that it can be disabled. You can have it on by default just put an option under f2 so that people who dont want it cant turn it off.

[Keseka]

I know autodecline was jousers idea to make the game more friendly for the new folk and this has come up in other threads.Im all for just getting rid of it and opening the game back up to pk's. But if Autodecline absolutely must be kept, then at least make an option so that it can be disabled. You can have it on by default just put an option under f2 so that people who dont want it cant turn it off.

While I agree with it's helpfulness and always have, I find it a bit troublesome. On this topic, I don't have much to say... A config line for it, would be nice. Disabled by default, F2 option to turn it on.

[Hrothgar]

how does a level 100 with a BoL even stand a chance of a lvl 1000+ with HoN and PoN especially  when they cant decline

[fingolfin]

He doesnt mean get rid of decline all together.... it means make it like it used to be so that when you log on it doesnt automatically come on. Anyone who wants to use decline could still turn it on.

[Dlorak]

Disabled by default, F2 option to turn it on.

Any objections to implementing Keseka's concise wording of the idea?

Quoting you for emphasis, Fingolfin:

He doesnt mean get rid of decline all together.... it means make it like it used to be so that when you log on it doesnt automatically come on. Anyone who wants to use decline could still turn it on.

[Hrothgar]

I said what i said because jon said this "if your wearing supers then you cant use decline. Makes it easy. pick one."

[Jouser]

Disabled by default, F2 option to turn it on.

Any objections to implementing Keseka's concise wording of the idea?

Quoting you for emphasis, Fingolfin:

He doesnt mean get rid of decline all together.... it means make it like it used to be so that when you log on it doesnt automatically come on. Anyone who wants to use decline could still turn it on.

IMHO,  this totally defeats the purpose.  Enabled by default,  F2 option to disable.  Disabled by default won't help noobs at all.     (unless we have our ideas of enabled/disabled reversed)

[MysticRat]

But we want to teach noobs what happens if decline is not enabled!
That HAS to be done by killing them

[Alexis]

I can see the good points and the bad points on this. Having auto decline enabled in the beginning when you log on is great for new people. It keeps newbies from being killed by much higher players so they can learn to play the game. I know at least 2 people that were discouraged from playing the game because they were PKed when they first signed on. They actually decided not to play the game due to this. On the other hand i think it would be a good idea to have an option in F2 where vets can have this turned off. Right now the auto decline being turned on seems to be causing an existing problem to be worse. See thread http://www.questrpg.org/forum/index.php?topic=1944.0

[Jon_Deciple]

how does a level 100 with a BoL even stand a chance of a lvl 1000+ with HoN and PoN especially  when they cant decline

lawl your kidding right?

Ok maybe lvl 100 doesnt stand a chance, but past lvl 300 (which isnt hard to pass, especially with a super) by then you have decent equips, and have the def and HP to fight in rothar, and easially have 600 ish HP (the average HP allocation is somthing like 2.5 pts / lvl... calculated it way back when) so even then i cant one hit somone...

and past 500 its dam near impossable to kill somone... because they can heal and med about as fast as i can deal damage

So maybe a lvl 100 doesnt stand a chance, but hey im lvl 1000 for crying out loud, i earned my right to kill people!


I think maybe decline should be allowed in llirrem and maybe rothar, but if you go past there your left open. Give noobs a fighting chance anyways to get going.

[Alexis]

Auto decline should never be taken away in my eyes. There are times when it is needed. For example I don't leave quest when i am making donner but don't want to be PKed when i am away checking on it. 

[Dlorak]

Meh, new players will have to learn. It SEEMS to me the hard-to-articulate argument I'm hearing is:
Its a right of passage for Questers to get PKed.


Do I have the idea right?
I can't think of any other reason for all the opposition to auto-decline! (decline will stay no matter what, its AUTO-decline that this is about).

[Alexis]

Disabled by default, F2 option to turn it on.

Any objections to implementing Keseka's concise wording of the idea?

Quoting you for emphasis, Fingolfin:

He doesnt mean get rid of decline all together.... it means make it like it used to be so that when you log on it doesnt automatically come on. Anyone who wants to use decline could still turn it on.

IMHO,  this totally defeats the purpose.  Enabled by default,  F2 option to disable.  Disabled by default won't help noobs at all.     (unless we have our ideas of enabled/disabled reversed)

Meh, new players will have to learn. It SEEMS to me the hard-to-articulate argument I'm hearing is:
Its a right of passage for Questers to get PKed.


Do I have the idea right?
I can't think of any other reason for all the opposition to auto-decline! (decline will stay no matter what, its AUTO-decline that this is about).

Now I'm confused. Is auto decline staying or going? I'm for the enable by default with an option to disable. Its more newbie friendly and we are trying to get people to stay and become part of the community not get mad and leave never to come back.

[Jouser]

My 2 cents:

Auto decline by default
F2 option to disable

[Keseka]

My 2 cents:

Auto decline by default
F2 option to disable

I sign this with a seal of approval, even though I do love killing anything that I can see moving without decline.

[MysticRat]

My vote:

To protect noobs: Llirrem autodecline default unless turned off with F2
To abuse idlers: All other worlds - autodecline goes automaticly off when entered. Possible to turn on.

yours,
MB
To serve the hunters

[Jon_Deciple]

i vote to get rid of decline... maybe have it on by default in llirrem, then have the first time they move to rothar a message pop up saying you can get killed here by other players....

I understand that noobs need a break. A lvl 6 char has no chance against higher lvl players with noslins...

But once you get on to the rothar stages of things your learning whats what

and we all know how useless velgrad is... (well not soo much now, but i still think noslin should get kicked out a few thousand more feet...)


the main points i see for decline are noobs and afking... Im all for noobs, i am was one, i was PK'd, it aggrovated me. I learned to use decline. A few times i forgot, and got killed. Oops.

Honestly i dont see what the big problem is... Autodecline just makes things a lot less brainless.

I am totally in favor of removing all use of decline especially for higher levels. If i can catch MP or Amar with their pants down, as it were, im going to be more than happy to jump at them. If you want to AFK, go to town.


Perhaps there could be a /afk command, where it would freeze you on the spot. You cant get PK'd, you cant fight mobs, you cant trade or anything. Then when you get back, /afk again and your back in action. Give it the minute or so cooldown... and there ya go.

Everyones happy. Noobs dont get killed, Higher lvls get decline removed, and AFKers get their protection.

[Hrothgar]

one problem abuse during pk tourney.....

[Sora]

Even thou I don't play I can't see any logical sense behind removing Decline.  Not everyone plays this game for PKing.  Yes it may make it more fun or interesting to you, but some people just wish to LvL without having to worry about someone coming up to them and attacking them.  This function allows for people who may have limited time to play each day get what they desire done without interference.  There is also, no reason in my eyes to remove auto decline from the point of login.  If people don't want to PK they don't if they do they would have turned it off.  Now being able to disable via F2 seems fair and logical for all.  Not sure who said it but a few have implied it, but PK is not a right of passage.  High LvL's PKing people who first start are just exploiting there lack of knowledge to boost there own Stats, nothing more and nothing less.