Pay Gold to Teleport to noslin

[Jon_Deciple]

Ok, like jack said in my other post, i should hace split it up. Well heres my "too little too late" last ditch effort to get the ideas split up.

Payment woul be on a per trip basis and the teleport point would be to the top of Mt Noslin. Every time you use the service, it would cost that amount. No items, gems, whatever that let you pay a one time fee. This is meant to be a gold sink.

RULES!!! - Revoked... Post whatever. I got what i wanted. Those of you who want to vote because of whatever, evn if u dont fight in noslin, go ahead.

Plz do keep in mind the intent was for a gold sink, but feel free to post your ideas even if it is not a pay-per-trip or whatever... lets at least get SOMTHING outa this.... lol. Anyways, like isaid go nuts




***Reslts before opening this to whoever...
1k  2 (20%)
10k  0 (0%)
100k  1 (10%)
1 mill  3 (30%)
1 to 10 mills  2 (20%)
10 to 20 mills  1 (10%)
20 to 30 mills  0 (0%)
30 to 40 mills  0 (0%)
40 to 50 mills  0 (0%)
more than 50 mills  1 (10%)

[Azmodon]

Jesus, little touchy about the off-topic teetering of the quest boards Jon? You've been here how long and joked about it? Oh well. Onward.

Oh well. 50mils+ because I think it should be a one time purchase of an item granting such effect, as some of us are not blessed with grand internets that some people seem to forget, and parts of the quest community shouldn't be left out just because they don't have the money to afford a better connection than dial-up or live in a place where they can't get it. Not that I'm inherently biased against purposeful ignorance.

Oh. And because I'm irritated with yous.

Azmodon... paying to get to noslin is not a NEED, it would be a luxury...  And is it my fault that you live in the middle of nowhere? So why should i be punished because of your misfortune?
And thats also why i said it would be like an hourly thing... pay once and your good for an hour... so if you do disconnect you can go back without needing to pay for 60 minutes.

Punished? Dear god this would cost you less! Ok. Facts:
Walking there takes two minutes TOPS if you are quick about it. So you save two minutes.
Walking there on a bad connection can take almost half an hour, if I'm quick about it. I save half an hour by having this teleport. That's right. I'd spend half of your so-called hourly thing getting there otherwise. And you call it a luxury and need it more than me?
If you go to Noslin daily, with price/trip. After 100 days, it'll cost you a minimum of 100mils, given 1mil per transport, if not gobs more.
If you go to Noslin daily, with price/item. After 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 days, it'll still cost you the same thing.

I live three (3) miles out of town. That's misfortune? Ugh.

If I hear more bias or ignorance of a perfectly logical side of the arguement, be prepared to defend your side. This is war Jon. War! Kyeehahaaa! [/I swear I don't need my meds rant]

[SamAdams]

I don't remember what I voted for, but I'm with you 100%.

[Jon_Deciple]

Ok been busy lately... Time to catch up  some stuff... here goes

well it took me six mins to run to the top of noslin without resjumping, and 10 with a bolas. So cutting out 10 mins of my trip is worth a few extra mills. HR is running from battls (i think) and i shoud have his time momentarially. Ok he finished in  4 mins, but he ran from every battle.

 Ok azmo, lets debate this...

My point is that people who fight in noslin can make up the gold they would spend to teleport in very little time. If yor high enough lvl to fight in upper noslin (near the mtn top) then you can easially make a few mills back in very little time.

In less than 8 mins i can make mill gold... Ares gets it in about 6. So if the teleport cost 1 mill and it saved me 10 mins, i would make more gold in the time i saved than i spent. And with how long it takes me to make a mill, i could buy a new clan in 6 hour of pure lvling (no chating)

or

pay for a years worth of teleporting (suggesting that my time to make a mill doesnt decrease, which it would) in three 12 hour periods of lvling. thats like, two weekends that im not busy.


Now i dont know how long it takes you to make a mill fighting the hardest noslins, so time it and post it. Thats one reason it should cost more than 1 mill to teleport.

Thus far in the debate, i thinking it should cost somewher around 10-20 mils per teleport.

[AcesJaes]

Makes sense.  More than I can say to some stuff.  How much do you suppose the "years worth of teleporting" should cost?

Also....  Maybe there should be a few options of paying.... Something along the lines of:
* One teleport - 10-20 Million gold.
* Two teleports - 15-35 Million gold.
* One day of unlimited teleporting - 50-75 Million gold.
* One week of unlimited teleporting - 250-400 Million gold.
* One month of unlimited teleports - 1 Billion gold.
* Buying in bulk would cost less than one-time paying over and over to encourage spending.

* Acesjaes Was sure to not vote on this thread since she doesn't train in Noslin.

[MysticRat]

... what's with the reports?

[AcesJaes]

It WOULD help the economy by making a money sink. (although he said not to say this...) Might be a good idea to make teleports to other places for cheaper, noobs like me would pay instead of walking to Velgrad.

[SamAdams]

If no one likes it, no one will use it. And all it will do is take up memory. What an effective gold sink that would be.

[Azmodon]

Jon. I'm a MAGE. I kill stuff fast.

Nanoseconds on a good computer, on my dorm internet. 30s to a minute or more on the connection I deal with at home, which is where I usually play Quest.

I vote for a system similar to AcesJaes's suggestion, or the one-time item suggestion made.

And thank you Sam, considering there's been not a single post in support of the idea as posted, I think change is in order.

[Jon_Deciple]

RULES!!!

Ok dont vote if you dont fight on top of mt noslin. Dont spam this topc. If you vote, explain why you voted. Conversation about the idea of teleporting can go here, but if your post has nothing to do with the subject or does not contribute, i will report it in hopes it gets removed.[/u]

Thats whats with the reports, MR... and i thought i was hard of reading. lol

AJ teleports to other places is kool, but we can debate cost of those elsewhere.

And azmo,  i als can kill stuff fast... and many many people have asked for a teleport to noslin, im not going to waste time looking it up, but the people are there. Your last post sounded like u were u to debate this, and thats all you get?

a once-per-timeframe payment system would be cool, but its that much more programming than what would be needed. If you look at my suggestions, they are mostly easy-to-impiment suggestions... like for this one all that would be needed is another option added to a NPC, a check for gold, a trigger to relocate if sufficent gold and deny if not enough gold. Like8 lines of code.

The point of all that is the only way it would work for a multile use teleport is maybe if it were in potion form? each trip with the NPC would be a teleort?

Oh or better yet! this is genius! The teleport was a potion (ya it was said somewhere else, lemme tie it in with this topic) and when u used the telepotion, it brought up a screen like the item fond screen, and teleported you to the selected area, say llirrum town, rothar town, velgrad town, noslin mountian top, and each one could cost a different number of "uses" of the potion.... and you could buy the telepots at the armory? then you wouldnt even need to talk to the NPC... This would impliment AJ's idea of bulk transports costing less.

BUT!

That still leaves the question of price... Which is what this thread is about... how much should it cost? Lets stick to the price of noslin teleports, and from that we can subtract some and make prices for the other areas..

I suggest:
15 mills for 1 use
40 mills for 3 uses (13.333 mills per teleport)
100  mills for 10 uses (10 mills each)
200 mills for 28 uses (7.14 mills each)
300 mills for 70 uses (4.28 mills each)
500 mills for 250 uses (2 mills each)

so one use costs a lot, where if u can save you can buy a lot of uses for next to nothing. would THAT work for you?

[Azmodon]

So you completely ignore the majority yet again and make another idea?

GG Jon, no need for debate here!

[Jon_Deciple]

what majority? theres like 3 posts that have to do with anything... and its not a whole new idea alltogether... its still paying per trip, and were debating price (last i knew) i just modified the way it is achieved... Its not a whole new idea, the same basic prinpals are there... and thats two replies in a row that you really havnt pointed anything wrong in anything i said.

Your not that great at debating....



-edit
Wait maybe u were talking about the maority on the poll? well then make your own price guide... Point out flaws in what i suggested, do somthing... man i expected WAR!!!

If I hear more bias or ignorance of a perfectly logical side of the arguement, be prepared to defend your side. This is war Jon. War! Kyeehahaaa! [/I swear I don't need my meds rant]

Looking at that post, i realized i forgot some stuff...
I addressed the time thing, u didnt post your actual time, and im thinking that 30 mins is pushing it... try it and time it. Post what u get

by punished i meant that... what did i mean? oh ya, i meant that your side of the argument is biast because of your crappy connection, and that your rejecting my stance based on your unwillingess to get better equipment. Your living 3 miles from anywhere important isnt my problem. Because you dont want to pay per trip isnt my falt. Most of us can play Quest and chat on MSN and download porn or whatever and whatever else with little or no problems. (No thats not what i do with my ultra cool connection, it was a joke... ha ha... sicko's) Sucks to be you i guess. Why bring it down on the rest of us?
(Hows that for a biast and and ingnorant position? )

[Azmodon]

Quite biased. Please read this again for the umpteenthmillionth time Jon. Because you, my friend, have a reading problem.

I see bias here:

I can not afford better interets. It is not that I don't want to, or that I wish to punish you with my lack of available internets, it's that I cannot afford it, and there is the possibility of other people out there in the same situation who I am standing up for. Do we just ignore someone because they're trying to pay for college and can't afford a better home line than dial-up or various other similar scenarios? Not a single computer I've tried on that line can properly run Quest.

And ignorance here:

Not to mention, not a single person agreed to your idea as stated, and several of them proposed ideas and agreed upon them.

You ignored them.

From this topic alone, missing most of the previous discussion from the other topic, here is Aces idea. I agreed with it, and you suggested something similar but still based on uses, which was opposed from the very beginning.

Makes sense.  More than I can say to some stuff.  How much do you suppose the "years worth of teleporting" should cost?

Also....  Maybe there should be a few options of paying.... Something along the lines of:
* One teleport - 10-20 Million gold.
* Two teleports - 15-35 Million gold.
* One day of unlimited teleporting - 50-75 Million gold.
* One week of unlimited teleporting - 250-400 Million gold.
* One month of unlimited teleports - 1 Billion gold.
* Buying in bulk would cost less than one-time paying over and over to encourage spending.

* Acesjaes Was sure to not vote on this thread since she doesn't train in Noslin.

Sam's quote about your "Gold sink" and how effective it would be.

If no one likes it, no one will use it. And all it will do is take up memory. What an effective gold sink that would be.

More coming, ganking quotes from another topic.

Something I should have done a lot of posts ago - I don't like the teleport to Noslin thing. Not at a price every time. Mabye have a super steep price for an item that would allow you to teleport there or something to that extent. But paying every single time... no. Please.

Either way, I'll have to halfway agree with Rath. While it is in all fairness not a huge chunk of your life gone to waste trekking alllllll the way up the mountain, for some people it actually does become a large part of their day. Take me for example, my roommate's network card sucks a lot. I mean more than any super-duper vacuum cleaner you've seen on tv, more than a suddenly opened airlock outside of the earth's atmosphere, and almost as much as a black hole. Hence, I get kicked. Many times a day. And walking up the Mountain gets old about the 20th time any given day that I may be on. So I can see it either way.

Good, bad, or useless... who knows. What I know is, I would not like to pay the fee 20 times a day.

Sam is having the same problem with having to make the trip several times. It's not just me.

Read this one Jon, please?

One thing you seem to be missing is democracy. The people have spoken, and they like your idea after the modifications. Just because there is less gold doesn't mean that the value of items will increase. That almost doesn't even make any sense. When there's less gold, the price might even go up. The people with the 8's determine the price, but the people buying them determine whether or not they want to pay for the convenience of slightly faster levelling.

It doesn't really take that long to get to the top of Noslin. If it was inefficient, regardless of the purpose, people simply wouldn't pay with the exception of people who wouldn't notice the difference, in which case the prices would continue to decline. It's a supply/demand issue. 8's cost less because there's too many of them and people just want to move product. Even if they did pay the fee, if they had an excess of 8's and needed the gold, they'd only charge what they could get away with for the sake of gain. Plus, no one is going to pay 50mil for even a DSM anymore. Ever.

That makes no sense Jon, the reason rares aren't worth anything is because there's so many rares, not because there's so much gold. A gold sink would do nothing to the economy except maybe convince people that selling supers might be worth it, and I personally don't like that idea. What you need is some kind of item sink :p

Still more coming.

Ok, you get some support here, but an item sink and a gold sink effectively achieve the same purpose either way. Less items? They cost more. Less gold? It's worth more, so lower prices are the same as big prices originally. Debated and closed.

That makes no sense Jon, the reason rares aren't worth anything is because there's so many rares, not because there's so much gold. A gold sink would do nothing to the economy except maybe convince people that selling supers might be worth it, and I personally don't like that idea. What you need is some kind of item sink :p

You'd need gold sink more.... The less gold there is, the rarer gold is.... the rarer gold is, the more gold is worth... If a person selling rares cannot get anybody to buy at his price because there isn't as much gold, he must lower his prices. Put two and two together. (But an item sink wouldn't hurt either, but an item sink alone would just make no difference to the massive amount of money in the system.)

what majority? theres like 3 posts that have to do with anything... and its not a whole new idea alltogether... its still paying per trip, and were debating price (last i knew) i just modified the way it is achieved... Its not a whole new idea, the same basic prinpals are there... and thats two replies in a row that you really havnt pointed anything wrong in anything i said.

Your not that great at debating....

Better? And I have timed myself at home. Given I got into a couple fights, it took about ~30min. And if you don't believe that, come watch my ATB bar.

I'm done here.

[MysticRat]

unfortunately your rules are not the board rules.

I would apreciate it though if you people would refrain from using big/colored/bold letters to shout.

Also:
Try to discuss is a mature matter all of you.
That means no cursing or slang cursing.

If I see more flames I'll just lock the thread.

[Azmodon]

I apologize MR. But read over, I don't curse when I argue.

Changing the font size now.

EDITED - Fixed, MR. Removed slang directing at my internets and the bold/large letters used for emphasis. Given Jon's track record I sometimes feel it's necessary.

[Jon_Deciple]

?? I dont see where people swore, and i realize these arent forum rule, but i have specific reasons for not wanting lots of off topc stuff... and the caps was for emphasys, not yelling, hence the red color.. and it was only once... so i dont see how it could be offensive to people...

as far as the "bashing" or flaming or whatever, hey if he can dish it he can take it, same with me...


Read your rather long post of quotes... yay for bashig! ya i have reading proiblems... and i was biast and igorant and whatever else bcause..... you asked for it? dunno... coulda heald off it i guess so if it offended you or anyone else, im sorry.

Ok back to bashing lol JK.

the problem with an item that gives unlimted teleports is that it would serve its pupous only once. If you paid however much for an unlimited use item, that would ot solve the gold issue. Im sure you can see how that works (or in this case, wouldnt work).

I reaize this would be more convenient for those of you who cant afford better computer stuff, but the main idea is not a teleport to noslin but a place that would *consistantly* suck gold from you.

Ya i also realize that if nobody likes it nobody will use it... and im not quite sure what lyr's post is doing in there? anyways, ya i guess i can see your point...

But im not seeing a whole lot of suggestions... theres the one about an expensive item that would grant unlimited teleports, but thats a one time purchase... not a good gold sink...

Bear suggested the pot thing, i just expanded on it, added some figures in there.

Mr. Jack suggested that you dont teleport to town when you log out, that would solve the issue of disconnecting. And if llirrem teleports cost like, 1k, that would be easy for anyone to afford, and wold be used a lot.

AJ suggested paying to change your start town, so when u log you can start somewhere else.

HR, in his infinate wisdom (lol joke MB plz dont spaz) modified that suggestion to say at different lvls you could start at certin towns... dont think that woud work but hes tryin, give the guy some credit

Im not seeing a lot else on the forums... ther than you constantly saying your internet sucks.... and me bashing your ad internet... man i feel for you. and im sorry for bashing your siuation, i should have been more sensitive. maybe if we wrk together we can come up with a better idea? i tried saying somthing like "pay once per hour of teleprting" but that didnt get much response.

Anyways, i think i got what i wanted from this... those of you who like to spam, go nuts... post any and all suggestions. Go nuts. Do keep in mind its supposed to be a gold sink, tho... But im willing to concede even a small sink n favor of nothing at all.

[Azmodon]

The basic gist was those suggestions, and that you really continued to push your idea non-stop even after you had absolutely no support. There were quite a few of them, and people seemed to like one or the other.

Lyr's quote was there to show that people did want a gold sink, but the other quotes showed that they unanimously did not want your idea as originally proposed.

New word for the suggestions forums, this is gonna be scary guys, but here goes. Compromise.

Compiled possibilities for getting around:
Pay per port (NPC based.) Constant sink.
Pay for unlimited (Item based.) One-time huge sink.
Pay per item (# of uses.) Regular sink.
Pay per time (in hours/days/etc. NPC based.) Regular sink.

Other related suggestions:
Coordinates saved upon logging. You log on Noslin? You'll relog on Noslin.
Change start towns with cost. You pay for Noslin? You'll start in Noslin.
Change start towns based on level. You get level 1000? You'll start in Noslin.

I suggest two polls, each promoting open debate upon these possibilities. There will end up with one decided way to teleport, and coordinate/logging issues will also be addressed.

[Lyrael]

Blah blah blah. No-one cares about a gold sink. There's no way in hell you could fix this economy no matter how hard you try. We DO care about teleports to Noslin, we don't like the paying once per trip idea, give us a teleport rune we can use forever please.

(When I say 'we' I do not of course, speak for the whole of the Quest community, merely myself and any other personalities contained in that self.)

[Azmodon]

My endless requests for a wipe and revamp of the item/stat system have suddenly been given a voice.

EDIT - Not that anyone cares.

[MysticRat]

We DO need goldsinks ...
If there's something worth it I will be used
Not for teleporting though, if it's available free, then why buy?