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Question: Do you think selling rares to the armory for straight up gold would help the ecenomy?
Yes - 11 (61.1%)
No - 4 (22.2%)
your a numpty - 3 (16.7%)
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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2006, 09:17:21 AM »

Derp, did I get it mixed up Sammy? I posted that at like 2-3am my time...
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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2006, 01:30:44 PM »

Yeah, I did it Jon. I also requested a wipe and some other changes to make it less of a band-aid fix. I'm done with my part. No one cared enough to ask me for the information, so it's potentially going to another game. Have fun guys!

EDIT - Oh. And here's what I think Astraeus is going for Jon, in simpler terms.

Lets say you set a price floor at 20mil.

Before that 8's were going for maybe 10mil.

The influx of sold 8's roughly increases/doubles the amount of gold everyone has.

Now 8's sell for 20mil, twice as much as before, but everyone has twice as much gold. Relative to the origin, that is no change.


Thats what im talking about... but there would be less rares. Dont know how you can argue with that.
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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2006, 01:49:15 PM »

Yeah. Less rares that cost twice as much when there's twice as much money. >.<
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« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2006, 01:52:51 PM »

It's useless, just give up Azmodon. He obviously has no clue what we are talking about (or what he is talking about, for that matter).
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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2006, 02:25:02 PM »

ya i know your saying that gold will be devalued, and you posted thatthis would destabalize the ecenomy? Ok i understand how it might make gold less, but i dont see how it would cause the ecenomy to et destabized... if anything it would set a  floor for the prices, and we would have like 15 DSM's selling for 20 mills each instead of 8...

I dunno maybe im just no getting it like you say, then again i often think you dont understand what im trying to say too...
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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2006, 09:01:40 PM »

Yeah, I did it Jon. I also requested a wipe and some other changes to make it less of a band-aid fix. I'm done with my part. No one cared enough to ask me for the information, so it's potentially going to another game. Have fun guys!

EDIT - Oh. And here's what I think Astraeus is going for Jon, in simpler terms.

Lets say you set a price floor at 20mil.

Before that 8's were going for maybe 10mil.

The influx of sold 8's roughly increases/doubles the amount of gold everyone has.

Now 8's sell for 20mil, twice as much as before, but everyone has twice as much gold. Relative to the origin, that is no change.

Actually, EVEN MORE GOLD. First, it brings the double money into the system, and second, you have a guarentee of a sale.
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« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2006, 05:01:14 AM »

That's the problem Ace. There's more gold. So now, everyone either sells to the shop, or charges extra to players looking for it. So items go for more, but there's so much more gold we are in the exact same place we already were except that the numbers are bigger.

It's like saying that 1000 is a low level in Quest, so they make it twice as easy to level. Then say 2000 is a much better number, even though it's the exact same thing based on the old system.
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« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2006, 05:58:45 AM »

not the exact same.... there would be less items in circulation. And thats why there would need to be gold sinks to bring the amount of gold down.
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« Reply #68 on: November 03, 2006, 06:00:45 AM »

So? Your idea of a gold sink is a toll to Noslin that practically no one will pay.
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« Reply #69 on: November 03, 2006, 07:34:40 AM »

that and there could be taxes on clans, pay for stat changes, pay to get sprites, lots of options.... a toll to noslin is only one idea.

Jack's tryin to help, he came up with the lottery idea, so suggest somthing. What do YOU think would be a good gold sink?
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« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2006, 11:00:11 AM »

ya i know your saying that gold will be devalued, and you posted thatthis would destabalize the ecenomy? Ok i understand how it might make gold less, but i dont see how it would cause the ecenomy to et destabized... if anything it would set a  floor for the prices, and we would have like 15 DSM's selling for 20 mills each instead of 8...

I dunno maybe im just no getting it like you say, then again i often think you dont understand what im trying to say too...

It's simple really. Do a google search on inflation and its impact on economic growth, and you will see the consensus among economists that economic growth is better achieved through a monetary policy that seeks to keep inflation low. Your program will essentially create LOTS of gold. Think of it in this way. If the US Treasury all of a sudden decided to print enough currency that it doubled to tripled the current amount in circulation, that would be beyond disastrous for our economy. That is how it will destabilize the economy.

You say this would be combined with a gold sink, so the gold would simply disappear again. The truth is, not all of the gold will disappear. You can't force sinks onto people, and my guess is participation in the sinks won't be all that high. People might think everyone else will do the gold sinks, so they will hold onto thiers, in the hopes of having more gold then the next guy. Well, what happens is a lot of people think this, so most people will just hold onto the gold. Sure, they might dabble some here and there, but I can guarantee it won't reduce nearly as much gold as you think.

For argument's sake, let's just say that the gold sink fully works, and all of the gold that was introduced by the store is made gone through the gold sinks. This will basically eliminate any market for rares, as people won't have much gold, and will not be willing to pay an amount greater then what the store offers, which is what would be necessary in order to buy an item from someone.
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« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2006, 09:21:42 PM »

I haven't added to suggestions where my opinion had been adequately expressed by someone else. I had my input on the gambling idea.
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2006, 08:59:05 PM »

Damn.

How bout we all pretend the economy is A-Okay? That's what I do. Cheesy
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2006, 04:43:14 PM »

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