9/11 conspiricy theories?

[Jon_Deciple]

Ok i have allowed people to change their votes. So vote now, initially yes or no. Do you believe that there are conspiricy theories around the events of 9/11?

Ok i got talking with a friend the other day, and the issue of conspiricy theories came up. So obviously, 9/11 came up. because im a believer in conspiricy theories. Anyways, hers the first link. Talks about the pentagon, and how it is not physically possable that it was a plane that hit it.

http://100777.com.nyud.net:8090/media/cache/pentagon121.swf


Ok heres a second link. this site has some cool stuff. http://st911.org/ The first video is like an hour and a half long, and is very thourough. Im still watching it, and let me tell you its good. I dont know how somone could watch these 2 videos and still have total faith in the government.

I find it hard to believe that after several years, we still dont have any real answers. Anyways, i was talkin to my friend about it, and my dad heard me and i think he thinks im off my rocker. maybe you all do too. I dont know. So let me know what you think.

*Edit*

im adding this one too...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6498070204870579516
Its mostly based on physics so even if you dont like theories, you cant beat the math...

[JackHammer]

I've never had total faith in the government...I mean, come on. It's run by people...PEOPLE of all things. Anything run by people is not at all trustworthy. Especially in this day and age. As for the conspiracy theories, im not so sure.

[Jon_Deciple]

you didnt vote. You didnt watch the movies. Im nearly done the 2nd one, and its crazy. Watch these movies and then let me know what you think

[FangReils]

No. I shall stand by Maddox's explanation (Look up his site) and say the 9/11 conspiracy theories are a load of bull.

[kyoko]

Haha, I read Maddox's explanation also. And it only makes sense...

"How will we get thousands of FBI Agents, firefighters, demolition experts, scientists, CIA, rescue workers, police, airline pilots, NSA, the majority of the House of Representatives, air traffic control, high-level military contractors, and the entire Bush administration to keep it a secret?"

[Jon_Deciple]

did you watch the movies? Just finished the second... they bring up some interesting points...

like why did building 7 fall.... no plane ever hit it. And why was there LIQUID STEEL under the WTC after it fell? that stuff melts at like, over a thousand degrees... no way a fire gets that hot. Not an uncontrolled burn anyways. and the 2nd movie raises some interesting points... the "safe house" for the govornor or whoever was in building 7, yet he didnt go there... he went somewhere else.... some local safe house for the public... and in that same building were the IRS, the FBI, amoung several other government branches, also the paperwork for cases like Enron...

And the dude that was leasing the buildings stood to gain like 7 billion if the towers were attacked by terrorists. And the buildings had aspestis stuff in em that would have had to be cleaned... and cost more to operate than they brought in from revinue... white elepahants if you will.... so i find it a little more than convienent that this all happened...

Plus more of what was said... if you dont have the time to watch the long movies... watch the pentagon one.


ya i read that too... but it doesnt mean they all knew about it... and watch those movies people then post your ideas... man.... therse lots of people that talked, and people that knew the buildings were going to implode before they did... its pretty much all there...

[Bear05]

i havent listened to the theories because i think theyre crap. but are you saying for whatever purpose americans plotted to kill thousands of their own?  if so you're as bad as bin laden and the hijackers(and they were hijackers) you lies insult every citizen that died that day, and our troops who continue to die to keep us safe. 

this topic is just anti-american hate propoganda.  everyone has an opinion and i doubt anybody dumb enough to fall for the consiparcy theories will see the light. they were started by the terriorists to spread discontent among the people and make their jobs easier. i've already untientionally proved my last point.

this is a flame fest waiting to happen, and should probably be locked, preferably deleted as well.

God Bless America!

[Jon_Deciple]

Hey i didnt say who as responsible... honestly i dont know... but i do think that a conspiricy was involved, and that the towers did not just "fall". I also dont believe that a plane hit the pentagon.

Im not just throwing out "Hate propoganda".... im trying to reveal some information that i found. If you dont want to accept it, well thats your decision.

And how can you think these theories are crap if you dont listen to them? Thats like forming an opinion after listening to one person give one opinion. that just doesnt make sense.

And if people can act as mature human beings, and have an open mind, this wont turn to a flame fest. I suggest you take some time and actually look at what your bashing before you say somthing you cant take back.

Seriously, if nothing else, watch the last link i posted (in the edit) and tell me how, obeying the laws of physics, that this could have happened the way it was said it did.

[Hrothgar]

i thought there couldnt be political topics in the Tav...

[Jon_Deciple]

says who?

[Hrothgar]

Shiris did

[Jon_Deciple]

When / where?

[Hrothgar]

While ago on the fourm....

[Jon_Deciple]

I dont see it... well if a QO doesnt like they can let me know... but i dont see how im hurting anyone with this, and i didnt say that any specific pollitical group was responsible, im just insinuating that the US government lied to the people, and am trying to offer a few sources for people to inform themselves on what really might have happened. If im breaking any rules here, please let me know

[SirJ00]

You can talk about anything within Reason in the tavern. 9/11 is within jurisdiction.

     And btw... Even if these videos end up being true... I'm not siding with you

[kyoko]

I don't think videos made by college students are reliable sources...

http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

If you have the attention span, read the 59 Deceits of Farenheit 9/11. Oh, and yeah, they did run most of their claims by Moore to see if he had anything to say, and not to my surprise he had no response...

[Bear05]

thats because hes a "fat socilast weasel"

[JackHammer]

*socialist

And I have seen many "9/11 Conspiracy?" Movies. So don't go and make false comments.

And I did vote.

[Jon_Deciple]

U talking to me? What comments did i make that were false?

[Perkinham]

yes, i watched farenheit 9/11 a long time ago, and just recently watched a bootleg movie not available to the general public regarding this, and i do believe it is a set up